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Bava Batra
Daf 82aכִּמְלוֹא אוֹרֶה וְסַלּוֹ. מַתְקִיף לָהּ רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר: הָשְׁתָּא דֶּרֶךְ אֵין לוֹ, אוֹרֶה וְסַלּוֹ יֵשׁ לוֹ? דֶּרֶךְ אֵין לוֹ – דְּאַרְעָא אַחֲרִיתִי הִיא, אוֹרֶה וְסַלּוֹ יֵשׁ לוֹ? !
he has acquired an area sufficient for a gatherer of figs and his basket in hand to stand close to the tree. Rabbi Elazar objects to this: Now that the halakha is that the buyer has no path
אָמַר רַבִּי זֵירָא, מִדִּבְרֵי רַבֵּינוּ נִלְמַד: שְׁלֹשָׁה – הוּא דְּאֵין לוֹ דֶּרֶךְ, הָא שְׁנַיִם – יֵשׁ לוֹ, דְּאָמַר לֵיהּ: בְּאַרְעָא דִּידָךְ קַיְימִי.
Rabbi Zeira says: From the statement, i.e., the objection, of our teacher,
אֲמַר לֵיהּ רַב נַחְמָן בַּר יִצְחָק לְרָבָא: לֵימָא, רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר לֵית לֵיהּ דִּשְׁמוּאֵל רַבֵּיהּ, דְּאָמַר שְׁמוּאֵל: הֲלָכָה כְּרַבִּי עֲקִיבָא, דְּאָמַר: מוֹכֵר בְּעַיִן יָפָה מוֹכֵר?
Rav Naḥman bar Yitzḥak said to Rava: Shall we say that Rabbi Elazar does not accept the opinion of Shmuel, who was his teacher? As Shmuel says: The halakha is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Akiva, who says: One who sells, sells generously. According to Rabbi Akiva, one sells in a manner that is advantageous for the buyer, and is presumed to have included in the sale even items that were not explicitly specified. In this case, as he has sold a tree that remains on his property, the seller grants the buyer the right to access his tree.
אֲמַר לֵיהּ: לָא מִתּוֹקְמָא מַתְנִיתִין כְּרַבִּי עֲקִיבָא.
Rava said to him: Even if Rabbi Elazar himself agrees with Rabbi Akiva, the mishna cannot be explained in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Akiva. Rather, the mishna must be in accordance with the opinion of the Rabbis, who hold that one who sells does so sparingly, and the difficulty that Rabbi Elazar raised against Rabbi Yoḥanan is predicated on the fact that the mishna is in accordance with the opinion of the Rabbis.
מִמַּאי? מִדְּקָתָנֵי: הִגְדִּילוּ – יְשַׁפֶּה, וְאִי סָלְקָא דַעְתָּךְ רַבִּי עֲקִיבָא הִיא, אַמַּאי יְשַׁפֶּה? הָאָמַר: מוֹכֵר בְּעַיִן יָפָה מוֹכֵר!
From where does Rava derive that the mishna is not in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Akiva? From the fact that the mishna teaches: If the three trees grew, the owner of the land may cut down the branches that extend into his field. And if it enters your mind that the mishna is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Akiva, why may he cut them down? Doesn’t Rabbi Akiva say that one who sells, sells generously?
אֲמַר לֵיהּ: אֵימוּר דְּאָמַר רַבִּי עֲקִיבָא – גַּבֵּי בּוֹר וְדוּת דְּלָא מַכְחֲשִׁי אַרְעָא, גַּבֵּי אִילָן מִי שְׁמַעַתְּ לֵיהּ?
Rav Naḥman bar Yitzḥak said to him: This does not prove that the mishna is not in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Akiva. You can say that Rabbi Akiva stated his ruling in the case of a pit and a cistern that are situated in a field belonging to another, which one sells in a generous manner, as they do not weaken the land. But did you hear him say that the seller is generous toward the buyer with regard to a tree,
מִי לָא מוֹדֵי רַבִּי עֲקִיבָא, בְּאִילָן הַנּוֹטֶה לְתוֹךְ שְׂדֵה חֲבֵירוֹ, שֶׁקּוֹצֵץ מְלֹא מַרְדֵּעַ מֵעַל גַּבֵּי מַחֲרֵישָׁה?
Doesn’t Rabbi Akiva concede in the case of a tree that leans out into the field of another, in which the owner of the other field cuts down the branches until the full height of an ox-goad, the handle that protrudes over a plow? Since the extending branches impede his efforts to plow his field, it is permitted for him to cut them down. This indicates that even according to Rabbi Akiva one does not grant privileges that are detrimental to his own interests. If so, the mishna can be explained even in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Akiva, which indicates that Rabbi Elazar does not accept his ruling.
תַּנְיָא כְּוָותֵיהּ דְּרַבִּי חִיָּיא בַּר אַבָּא: הֲרֵי זֶה קָנָה תַּחְתֵּיהֶן וּבֵינֵיהֶן וְחוּצָה לָהֶן כִּמְלוֹא אוֹרֶה וְסַלּוֹ.
The Gemara points out: It is taught in a baraita in accordance with the statement of Rabbi Ḥiyya bar Abba: If one buys three trees in a field belonging to another, this buyer has acquired the ground that is found underneath the trees, and the area between them, and outside of the trees and their branches an area sufficient for a gatherer of figs and his basket.
אֲמַר לֵיהּ אַבַּיֵי לְרַב יוֹסֵף: אוֹתָן אוֹרֶה וְסַלּוֹ מִי זוֹרְעָן? אֲמַר לֵיהּ, תְּנֵיתוּהָ: הַחִיצוֹן זוֹרֵעַ אֶת הַדֶּרֶךְ.
Abaye said to Rav Yosef: Those areas around the trees that are designated for a gatherer of figs and his basket are used for this purpose only at specific times. Who sows
אֲמַר לֵיהּ: מִי דָמֵי? הָתָם לֵית לֵיהּ פְּסֵידָא לַלּוֹקֵחַ, אֲבָל הָכָא אִית לֵיהּ פְּסֵידָא לַלּוֹקֵחַ, דְּאָמַר לֵיהּ: קָמִיטַּנְּפִי פֵּירֵי!
Abaye said to him: Are the cases comparable? There, in the case of the outer and inner gardens, there is no loss suffered by the buyer when the owner of the outer garden sows the path, as he can still pass through it. But here, there is a loss for the buyer, as the one who bought the trees says to the owner of the field: The fruits that fall from the trees will become soiled
הָא לָא דָּמְיָא אֶלָּא לְסֵיפָא: וְזֶה וְזֶה אֵינָן רַשָּׁאִין לְזוֹרְעָהּ.
This case is similar only to the last clause of that mishna, which states: If the owner of the inner garden is given a side path, so that he suffers a loss of some kind because he cannot take the shortest path to reach his garden, both this owner of the inner garden and that owner of the outer garden are not permitted
TOSAFOT
וזורע את הניר. ואינו מרחיק הזרעים מן השורה אלא כדי עבודת הכרם ששתי שורות ששערן לצד אחד חשיבי כרם אע״פ שמן העיקר אנו מודדין ט״ז ויש בין שני השורות ט״ז אמה והוו מפוזרין והוי גפן יחידי דאין צריך להרחיק אלא שלשה טפחים מכל מקום ביניהן תחת ענפי הגפנים אסור לזרוע מדרבנן וחשיבי כרם:
תַּנְיָא כְּוָותֵיהּ דְּאַבַּיֵי: הֲרֵי זֶה קָנָה תַּחְתֵּיהֶן וּבֵינֵיהֶן וְחוּצָה לָהֶן כִּמְלוֹא אוֹרֶה וְסַלּוֹ, וְזֶה וְזֶה אֵינָן רַשָּׁאִין לְזוֹרְעָהּ.
The Gemara comments: It is taught in a baraita in accordance with the opinion of Abaye: This buyer has acquired the ground that is found underneath the trees, and the area between them, and outside of the trees and their branches an area sufficient for a gatherer of figs and his basket. And both this owner of the field and that owner of the trees are not permitted to sow it.
וְכַמָּה יְהֵא בֵּינֵיהֶן? רַב יוֹסֵף אָמַר רַב יְהוּדָה אָמַר שְׁמוּאֵל: מֵאַרְבַּע אַמּוֹת וְעַד שְׁמוֹנֶה; רָבָא אָמַר רַב נַחְמָן אָמַר שְׁמוּאֵל: מִשְּׁמוֹנֶה וְעַד שֵׁשׁ עֶשְׂרֵה. אֲמַר לֵיהּ אַבַּיֵי לְרַב יוֹסֵף: לָא תִּפְלוֹג עֲלֵיהּ דְּרַב נַחְמָן, דִּתְנַן מַתְנִיתִין כְּוָותֵיהּ;
The Gemara inquires: And how much space must there be between the three trees
דִּתְנַן: הַנּוֹטֵעַ אֶת כַּרְמוֹ שֵׁשׁ עֶשְׂרֵה אַמָּה עַל שֵׁשׁ עֶשְׂרֵה אַמָּה – מוּתָּר לְהָבִיא זֶרַע לְשָׁם;
As we learned in a mishna (Kilayim 4:9): One who plants his vineyard sixteen cubits
TOSAFOT
מדברי רבינו נלמד שלשה אין להן דרך הא שתים יש להן דרך פי׳ משמע מתוך דברי ר׳ אלעזר דיותר יש להן דרך מאורה וסלו ומדתנן בשנים הגדילו לא ישפה אלמא יש לו אורה וסלו כיון דאפילו משפה אינו ומדיש לו אורה וסלו בשנים כל שכן דרך:
אָמַר רַבִּי יְהוּדָה: מַעֲשֶׂה בְּצַלְמוֹן, בְּאֶחָד שֶׁנָּטַע אֶת כַּרְמוֹ שֵׁשׁ עֶשְׂרֵה עַל שֵׁשׁ עֶשְׂרֵה אַמָּה, וְהָיָה הוֹפֵךְ שְׂעַר שְׁתֵּי שׁוּרוֹת לְצַד אֶחָד וְזוֹרֵעַ אֶת הַנִּיר, לְשָׁנָה אַחֶרֶת הָיָה הוֹפֵךְ אֶת הַשֵּׂעָר לִמְקוֹם הַזֶּרַע וְזָרַע אֶת הַבּוּר, וּבָא מַעֲשֶׂה לִפְנֵי חֲכָמִים וְהִתִּירוּהוּ.
Rabbi Yehuda said: There was an incident in the city of Tzalmon, where one individual planted his vineyard sixteen by sixteen cubits. And he would turn
אֲמַר לֵיהּ: אֲנָא לָא יָדַעֲנָא, אֶלָּא עוּבְדָא הֲוָה
Rav Yosef said to him: I do not know about this, but there was a similar incident