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Bava Kamma
Daf 34aתָּם חָמוּר מִמּוּעָד!
a case where the halakha with regard to an innocuous ox that causes damage is more stringent than with regard to a forewarned ox, since according to all opinions, in a case where a forewarned ox kills another ox, the carcass belongs exclusively to the injured party, and he sustains any subsequent decrease in its value.
וְכִי תֵּימָא: הָכִי נַמִי, כְּדִתְנַן, רַבִּי יְהוּדָה אוֹמֵר: תָּם חַיָּיב וּמוּעָד פָּטוּר, אֵימַר דְּשָׁמְעַתְּ לֵיהּ לְרַבִּי יְהוּדָה – לְעִנְיַן שְׁמִירָה, דִּכְתִיבִי קְרָאֵי, לְעִנְיַן תַּשְׁלוּמִין מִי שָׁמְעַתְּ לֵיהּ?
And if you would say that indeed, Rabbi Yehuda holds that the halakha with regard to an innocuous ox is more stringent than with regard to a forewarned ox, as we learned in a mishna that Rabbi Yehuda says: If a bailee did not safeguard an ox properly, and it escaped and caused damage, if it was an innocuous ox he is liable, and if it was a forewarned ox he is exempt (45b), that mishna cannot serve as proof for the issue under discussion. Say that you heard Rabbi Yehuda express this opinion, that the halakha with regard to an innocuous ox is more stringent, with regard to the halakhot of safeguarding, as verses are written in the Torah from which this halakha is derived. But with regard to compensation, did you ever hear him express this opinion?
וְהָתַנְיָא, רַבִּי יְהוּדָה אוֹמֵר: יָכוֹל שׁוֹר שָׁוֶה מָנֶה שֶׁנָּגַח שׁוֹר שָׁוֶה חָמֵשׁ סְלָעִים וְהַנְּבֵילָה יָפָה סֶלַע, זֶה נוֹטֵל חֲצִי הַחַי וַחֲצִי הַמֵּת, וְזֶה נוֹטֵל חֲצִי הַחַי וַחֲצִי הַמֵּת?
On the contrary; but isn’t it taught in a baraita that Rabbi Yehuda says: One might have thought that in the case of an ox worth one hundred dinars that gored an ox worth five sela,
אָמַרְתָּ: וְכִי מוּעָד לְמָה יוֹצֵא, לְהַחְמִיר עָלָיו אוֹ לְהָקֵל עָלָיו? הֱוֵי אוֹמֵר: לְהַחְמִיר עָלָיו. וּמַה מּוּעָד אֵינוֹ מְשַׁלֵּם אֶלָּא מַה שֶּׁהִזִּיק, תָּם הַקַּל לֹא כָּל שֶׁכֵּן?
Instead, continues Rabbi Yehuda, you should say: For what purpose is the case of a forewarned ox singled out by the halakha? Is it to render it more stringent than the case of an innocuous ox, or to render it more lenient? Clearly, you must say that it is to render it more stringent. And therefore, if in the case of a forewarned ox, its owner pays only the value of what he damaged and no more, in the case of an innocuous ox, which is more lenient, all the more so is it not clear that the owner is not liable to pay more than the value of the damage? Evidently, Rabbi Yehuda does not allow for liability in the case of an innocuous ox to be more stringent than in the case of a forewarned ox.
אֶלָּא, אֲמַר רַבִּי יוֹחָנָן: שֶׁבַח נְבֵילָה אִיכָּא בֵּינַיְיהוּ, דְּמָר סָבַר: דְּנִיזָּק הָוֵי, וּמָר סָבַר: פַּלְגָּא.
Rather, Rava’s explanation, that Rabbi Meir and Rabbi Yehuda disagree with regard to a case where the carcass depreciated in value, should be rejected. Instead, their dispute should be explained according to what Rabbi Yoḥanan said, i.e., that the practical difference between them is with regard to the appreciation of the carcass
וְהַיְינוּ דְּקָא קַשְׁיָא לֵיהּ לְרַבִּי יְהוּדָה: הָשְׁתָּא דְּאָמְרַתְּ חַס רַחֲמָנָא עִילָּוֵיהּ דְּמַזִּיק, דְּשָׁקֵיל בְּשִׁבְחָא, יָכוֹל שׁוֹר שָׁוֶה חָמֵשׁ סְלָעִים שֶׁנָּגַח שׁוֹר שָׁוֶה מָנֶה וְהַנְּבֵילָה יָפָה חֲמִשִּׁים זוּז, זֶה נוֹטֵל חֲצִי הַחַי וַחֲצִי הַמֵּת וְזֶה נוֹטֵל חֲצִי הַחַי וַחֲצִי הַמֵּת?
And this explains what was difficult for Rabbi Yehuda in another baraita. Now that you say that the Merciful One has mercy on the one liable for damage, as he takes a share of the increased value of the carcass, can it be that in the case of an ox worth five sela, i.e., twenty dinars, that gored an ox worth one hundred dinars, and the carcass is worth fifty dinars, this party takes half the live ox and half the dead ox, and that party takes half the live ox and half the dead ox? Accordingly, the owner of the belligerent ox receives thirty-five dinars in value, which is more than his ox was worth.
אָמַרְתָּ: הֵיכָן מָצִינוּ מַזִּיק נִשְׂכָּר שֶׁזֶּה נִשְׂכָּר? וְאוֹמֵר: ״שַׁלֵּם יְשַׁלֵּם״, בְּעָלִים מְשַׁלְּמִין וְאֵין בְּעָלִים נוֹטְלִין.
Rather, you should say: Where do we find a case where the one liable for damage gains from the damage, comparable to this case, where this owner of the belligerent ox gains, receiving more than the value of his ox? Clearly there is no such case, as one who is liable for damage does not gain from it. And in addition, it says: “He shall pay” (Exodus 21:36), indicating that the owner of the belligerent ox pays, and the owner does not take more than the amount his animal was worth at the time of the damage.
מַאי ״וְאוֹמֵר״? וְכִי תֵּימָא, הָנֵי מִילֵּי הֵיכָא דְּאִיכָּא פְּסֵידָא לַנִּיזָּק, אֲבָל הֵיכָא דְּלֵיכָּא פְּסֵידָא לַנִּיזָּק, כְּגוֹן שׁוֹר שָׁוֶה חָמֵשׁ סְלָעִים שֶׁנָּגַח שׁוֹר שָׁוֶה חָמֵשׁ סְלָעִים, וְהַנְּבֵילָה יָפָה שְׁלֹשִׁים זוּז, שָׁקֵיל נַמִי מַזִּיק בְּשִׁבְחָא.
The Gemara asks: For what reason was it necessary to add the claim: And it says: “He shall pay”? The Gemara answers: Lest you say that this matter, that the one liable for damage does not gain, applies specifically where there is a loss sustained by the injured party, as in this case, where the decrease in the ox’s value is fifty dinars, and if the carcass is shared by the liable party, the injured party receives only thirty-five dinars, thereby sustaining a loss. But in a case where there is no loss sustained by the injured party, for example, the case of an ox worth five sela, i.e., twenty dinars, that gored another ox worth five sela, and the carcass appreciated in value and is now worth thirty dinars, more than the ox was worth when it was alive, in this case the one liable for damage also takes a share of the increased value, since the injured party ends up not having sustained any financial loss, as he receives a share of ten dinars in the belligerent ox and another fifteen in the carcass, gaining five dinars over the value of his ox.
וְאוֹמֵר: ״שַׁלֵּם יְשַׁלֵּם״, בְּעָלִים מְשַׁלְּמִין וְאֵין בְּעָלִים נוֹטְלִין.
It is to counter this claim that Rabbi Yehuda adds: And it says: “He shall pay,” indicating that the owner of the belligerent ox pays, and the owner does not take more than the amount his animal was worth at the time of the damage.
אֲמַר לֵיהּ רַב אַחָא בַּר תַּחְלִיפָא לְרָבָא: אִם כֵּן, מָצִינוּ לְרַבִּי יְהוּדָה תָּם מְשַׁלֵּם יוֹתֵר מֵחֲצִי נֵזֶק, וְהַתּוֹרָה אָמְרָה: ״וּמָכְרוּ אֶת הַשּׁוֹר הַחַי וְחָצוּ אֶת כַּסְפּוֹ״!
§ With regard to Rabbi Yehuda’s opinion that the two owners split the value of both the belligerent ox and the dead ox between them, Rav Aḥa bar Taḥalifa said to Rava: If so, we find that according to Rabbi Yehuda, when an innocuous ox gores an ox that is worth less than it, its owner pays more than half the damage.
אִית לֵיהּ לְרַבִּי יְהוּדָה: פְּחָת שֶׁפָּחֲתָה מִיתָה מַחֲצִין בַּחַי.
Rava answered him: Rabbi Yehuda also holds that only the diminished value of the dead ox that was diminished by its death is compensated for by dividing the live ox between the two parties. The liable party never pays more than half the damage.
מְנָא לֵיהּ? מִ״וְגַם אֶת הַמֵּת יֶחֱצוּן״? וְהָא אַפְּקֵיהּ רַבִּי יְהוּדָה לְזֶה נוֹטֵל חֲצִי הַחַי וַחֲצִי הַמֵּת, וְזֶה נוֹטֵל חֲצִי הַחַי וַחֲצִי הַמֵּת!
The Gemara asks: From where does Rabbi Yehuda derive this halakha? Is it from the verse: “And the carcass they shall also divide” (Exodus 21:35), from which Rabbi Meir derived it? But didn’t Rabbi Yehuda already derive from this verse that this party takes the value of half the live ox and half the dead ox, and that party takes the value of half the live ox and half the dead ox?
אִם כֵּן, נִכְתּוֹב קְרָא: וְאֶת הַמֵּת, מַאי ״וְגַם״? שְׁמַע מִינָּהּ תַּרְתֵּי.
The Gemara answers: If so, if that is the only halakha indicated by this clause, let the verse simply write: And the carcass they shall divide. What is the reason that the word “also” is added? It is added so that one may conclude two conclusions from the clause: That the carcass is also divided between the two parties, and that the liable party is never required to pay more than half the damage.
מתני׳ יֵשׁ חַיָּיב עַל מַעֲשֵׂה שׁוֹרוֹ וּפָטוּר עַל מַעֲשֵׂה עַצְמוֹ, פָּטוּר עַל מַעֲשֵׂה שׁוֹרוֹ וְחַיָּיב עַל מַעֲשֵׂה עַצְמוֹ.
There are cases where one is liable for an act of damage caused by his ox, but exempt from liability for the same action if he performed it himself. Conversely, there are also cases where one is exempt from liability for the action of his ox, but liable for his own action.
כֵּיצַד? שׁוֹרוֹ שֶׁבִּיֵּישׁ – פָּטוּר, וְהוּא שֶׁבִּיֵּישׁ – חַיָּיב; שׁוֹרוֹ שֶׁסִּימֵּא אֶת עֵין עַבְדּוֹ וְהִפִּיל אֶת שִׁינּוֹ – פָּטוּר, וְהוּא שֶׁסִּימֵּא אֶת עֵין עַבְדּוֹ וְהִפִּיל אֶת שִׁינּוֹ – חַיָּיב;
How so? If his ox caused a person humilation,
שׁוֹרוֹ שֶׁחָבַל בְּאָבִיו וּבְאִמּוֹ – חַיָּיב, וְהוּא שֶׁחָבַל בְּאָבִיו וְאִמּוֹ – פָּטוּר; שׁוֹרוֹ שֶׁהִדְלִיק אֶת הַגָּדִישׁ בְּשַׁבָּת – חַיָּיב, וְהוּא שֶׁהִדְלִיק אֶת הַגָּדִישׁ בְּשַׁבָּת – פָּטוּר, מִפְּנֵי שֶׁהוּא מִתְחַיֵּיב בְּנַפְשׁוֹ.
By contrast, if his ox injured the owner’s father or his mother,
גמ׳ תָּנֵי רַבִּי אַבָּהוּ קַמֵּיהּ דְּרַבִּי יוֹחָנָן: כָּל הַמְקַלְקְלִין פְּטוּרִין, חוּץ מֵחוֹבֵל וּמַבְעִיר. אֲמַר לֵיהּ: פּוֹק תְּנֵי לְבָרָא, חוֹבֵל וּמַבְעִיר אֵינָהּ מִשְׁנָה. וְאִם תִּימְצֵי לוֹמַר מִשְׁנָה, חוֹבֵל – בְּצָרִיךְ לְכַלְבּוֹ, מַבְעִיר – בְּצָרִיךְ לְאֶפְרוֹ.
Rabbi Abbahu taught the following baraita before Rabbi Yoḥanan: Anyone who performs labor destructively on Shabbat is exempt,
תְּנַן: שׁוֹרוֹ שֶׁהִדְלִיק אֶת הַגָּדִישׁ בְּשַׁבָּת – חַיָּיב, וְהוּא שֶׁהִדְלִיק אֶת הַגָּדִישׁ בְּשַׁבָּת – פָּטוּר; וְקָתָנֵי הוּא דּוּמְיָא דְּשׁוֹרוֹ, מַה שּׁוֹרוֹ דְּלָא קָבָעֵי לֵיהּ,
We learned in the mishna: If his ox set fire to a haystack on Shabbat, he is liable. But if he himself set fire to a haystack on Shabbat, he is exempt. And the mishna is presumably teaching a case where he set the fire in a scenario that is similar to the case where his ox did so. Just as in the case where his ox set the fire it clearly does not need the ashes, as an ox does not act with such intentions,